Any luck finding that elusive blog?

I know there are Muslims that do agree that there are issues in the koran and the hadith. There are some that take some of it as allegory but I am not aware of any blogs that go on about it in such a manner except those who claim to be ex-muslims.

Jay is looking for such a blog where an active muslim is actually questioning some issues with the hadith and koran.

Not necessarily, My husband thinks there is a lot of garbage in the hadiths.. he agrees that the koran is not a peaceable book either.

so there you go Jay he accepts that but he’s probably not capabale of doing much else … too busy with work and his wife and kids own his spare time

Those are called ex-muslim blogs.

Just for fun I posted a comment about “reponsibilophobia” on a Pakistani Muslim woman’s blog. Here is the link.

http://aayjay.wordpress.com/2012/02/03/shafia-murders-and-the-muslim-community/#respond

A good blog but given too much to blame those vile infidels for everything. As usual, I left a few comments that she may not like. I got the old “Awaiting moderation” warning so my words may not see the light of day. Too bad, because I think Muslims need to hear voices, reasonable moderate voices like mine (ha!), to understand our point of view and maybe change (ha!).

I wish I could find an Islamic blog in which a Muslim recognizes the hate and violence in the Quran and is willing to accept that this causes serious problems. I would also like to find a Muslim blog that factually questions Mohammad’s wars upon his neighbors. Fat chance, but still I look.

I hold great respect for American Bedu.

The social and political discourse distinguishes the Western civilization, specifically the United States, and it also characterizes the US democratic process.

To play democracy in the US, any politician must accept social and political stances that normally do not accept to accumulate the votes of specific groups that are crucial for winning a seat. For example, marriage between the same sex, adoption, abortion, immigration, etc.

These social issues are the most sensitive and the outcomes of dealing with them are the most unpredictable and can fire back against a candidate unexpectedly. These issues have no solid rational. But is a democratic process, it is a give-take to reach agreeable common ground.

The main stream America has adamant biblical views about marriage between the same sex and abortion that shape the entire political scene. Those in the minority have their views about the same issues. The political process, however, goes on.

The majority of the cities do not allow nudity, some minority cities allows controlled nudity. These minority cities do not represent the entire US society and it is not the face of America. People in Third World country would see nudists and say look the Americans are decadents; they walk nude in the streets and on beaches. They do not separate the democratic process from the US standard social norms.

In other words, I still believe that the US society has restricted dress code.

Since you addressed it again I will post here as well.

Actually, it does mean just that. A person can actually walk down the street topless or nude so long as the local laws allow. There are several cities across the US that allow it. Far more for being topless than nude. Most people don’t do this. However, legally in the US in many places it can be done. There is nothing law enforcement will be able to do legally as it is not against the law to walk around in this fashion so long as it is written into an ordinance/state law or makes no reference to a minimal dress requirement.

I understand the symbolic meanings of oppression, obedience, and servitude that conveyed to Westerners, including myself, by a covered woman from head to toe, especially in the manner done in some regions of Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, and other countries.

Some women figured how to go around the abayah that covers them in that manner and made it so it shows their bodies more than it covers, and ultimately sexualized the abayah. However, some addressed wearing abayah as if it the oppression and ignored the real oppression exercised by the religious and social forces in the Saudi society.

You know it and I know it, women anywhere if they want to show some glimpses of their body, they would find away, and it is a natural tendency. Again, the issue is not the abayah, it is the oppression.

I accept the idea that claiming or practicing the treatment of a woman as a queen or princess may be used to numb and manipulate a woman. But the very idea underestimates the brains of Saudi men and women; they know the difference between manipulation and genuine romance.

Saudi men and women are humans like you and other people around the world, they like to love and be loved.

Dear American Bedu,

Your feedback points to the fact that there is a universal value shared by all people that that one cannot go around doing whatever he/she pleases. For example, walking naked or topless in the streets, that goes against any norms of any society.

Some comments with respect to dress code in the US make American look as if they have no norms, and that is not true because it defies common sense.

Perhaps those comments were stated with abayah in the background that generates negative symbolic emotional feelings in the head and heart of some. But the world is not the Islamic World, specifically Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan.

To prove the norms of these Islamic societies with respect to wearing abayah should not be blinding to the extent insinuating that the US society – despite of all of its personal freedoms – has no dress code and any one could walk around naked or topless. This way way way out of the realm of rational argument.

I think that many American parents do monitor what their daughters wear. I never had any daughters but I know that friends who did would not allow their daughters going out in clothes which could give the wrong impression or perhaps lead to trouble. In fact, I was not allowed to wear any eye shadow until I was 16, for example.