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HI Carol,
I read your blog everyday getting ready for my move. I also read the Arab News. Thre was an article on 4/5 ragarding Saudis marrying foreigners. I wanted to send you the link just in case you wanted to do a blog on it.
Karen
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=108605&d=5&m=4&y=2008
Yesterday’s Arab News (5 April) seemed to have a number of controversial articles from Saudis marrying foreigners to the plight of children of Saudi women who have married foreigners. The articles do help sensitize me to issues and then personal experiences which can be shared.
Thanks Karen and look forward to having you in the Kingdom soon!
Hi dehi4cats.
How about some photos of 1970’s Riyadh would love to see some of Baatha and Seiko street (are they still there ?) and of Riyadhs only supermarket..Spinneys.
Hi Dougie and welcome!
Gosh, you’ll have to tell me about Spinneys as I’ve not heard of it before! Where should it be located? Now the popular supermarkets are Tamimi (Safeway); Panda and Danube.
Hi Carol,
I have emailed you today. Tq for your time.
TQ
Thanks Sharie…I’ll look for it!
Best Regards,
Carol
Hi delhi4cats
Spinneys was about a mile north of baatha (Baatha still there?).
Hi again,
Quick note check out,
“if Olaya street could talk”
http://www.tazapress.com/
fascinating read.
Hi Dougie.
Thanks for the reference. Yes; there are indeed some good and interesting books out about KSA.
Please try to publish my letter in your blog
This message goes to the Saudi Labor ministry and Gulf Co-operation Council administration in the Saudi Arabia to investigate my case regarding medical insurance benefits which I would like to claim to the Herfy Food Services Company, which in legals terms fail to provide me as from the insurance company Bupa International. This medical benefit is I’m legally entitled to provide through company as per company policy but until now three years of period I have try to contact the company officials and owner company Kingdom holding company several times, they didnot response to my request and ignored my presence which I can legally proved to labor ministry that I have worked in this company for 13 years and get serious sickness and discharge from the company by promising all the help and assistance provided by the company in future. But in real fact neither of their promises to me is truth and they relied on it. Now, after that sickness I’m physically disable and when in the time of help I need from the company they abandoned me and left totally nowhere. This is the true nature of the private owned company which they dumped theirs workers like waste materials after they are not able to continue their work.
My company employee numbers is 774, I have join the company in 18th November,1992 until 2005.
My post in the company during that time is Resataurant Supervisor
Yours
Prabal Rai
Kathmandu,Nepal
Hello,
I have enjoyed reading your blogs. I am considering a move to Riyadh. I am a single mother to a beautiful one-year old baby boy. I would be teaching English. I am concerned about what my rights would be as a foreign (USA) national living in the Kingdom would be? I take it I cannot drive, I should? Must? wear a hijab? How does one find a daycare? Social life? Outtings? Can I get around in taxi? What can I absolutely not do? Can you give me a brief take on these questions. So sorry if they seem rhetorical. In short, it would be professionally a great opportunity, however, not at the expense of our overall happiness. Mind you, I am a seasoned traveller and open to diverse perspectives on life, religion, and family.
Ariel
Ariel,
I do not want to discourage you but I cannot imagine a single mother with such a young baby coming to the Kingdom. I think it would be unusual for an employer to sponsor you under such circumstances. I did a post on daycare which will tell you there are very few daycare options in the Kingdom.
And you are correct that you cannot drive. You do not need to wear a hijjab or cover your head. Those are options for you. There are social opportunities and outings but I am not in a position to address what is available with a young child. Rather than taxis, you’d likely want to use private limo searches (search my blog for taxi).
I suggest you read some of my previous postings about life and conditions in KSA. Do searches for posts of greatest interest to you. Then I would be happy to answer any of your questions.
Best Regards,
Carol
Hi,
I just wanted to ask some maybe personal question because my dream job is to be a diplomat. I’ve taken Japanese since I was a teenager and learned Thai when I was in diapers. I plan on taking Chinese and Vietnamese becasue I love languages and for some reason I am good at it. I am 32 so this may be to told to get into the foreign service but I wanted to ask you how do I even start? How did you get into it and why? Um, I have just finished my AA and plan to transfer to the state university ever! (University of Iowa go hawks!!!) I would appreciate any help you may have as I am dead serious about this. I don’t know if I can even pass the FS exam or even work as a FS because I have fibromyalgia but I’m tired of walking (actually more limping crawling) away from my dreams. So in close any help even just one sentence is really appreciated. Thanks Carol.
OnigiriFB,
Your age is prohibitive as a diplomat at this time but State Department has a large number and variety of positions. If your goal is also to work abroad, some of the positions may be for outside of the USA. View the web site http://www.state.gov and it provides full details on the exams and types of positions one can apply for.
I went into the diplomatic corps due to my love of travel and international affairs.
Don’t give up and investigate your options. In addition to the State Department, don’t hesitate to also look at the extensive United Nations web site as well!
Good luck!
hi Carol,
I kinda found ur “delhi4cats” username kinda interesting? any reasoning behind the same? I am indian guy here… was wondering if u have held the US diplomat position in India as well before!!
Excellent logic, Aspire!
I was indeed posted to delhi with my 4 cats in tow when I created that username! You are one of the few who put that together!
Hi
I would really like to go for horse riding lessons, does anyone know of any places in riyadh? Also I really like team sport especially football(or soccer) and was wondering if there were any female expat teams going? I am a nurse so am surrounding by nurses all the time so it would be good to get out and about and mingle with different people. Also so as to keep myself busy I bought a guitar and am looking for a guitar teacher too I am learning the basics but it would be good for someone to keep me on the right track! Many thanks
Becky
Hi Becky!
Please email me directly. The Safari Club in Riyadh has horseback riding as well as some more private facilities too.
Many of the compounds have female and/or coed sports teams. Some of the expat organizations such as American Community Riyadh (ACR), Canadian Women of Riyadh (CWOR) and British Ladies of Riyadh will have additional information.
A friend of mine takes violin lessons so I can ask her if guitar lessons are also available.
Hey all well i am from riyadh and now i like to join you pplz, and if any one like to know about riyadh or kingdom can contact me any time.
Regards
Mutewitness
Hi there! I must confess I’ve become sort of a regular reader of your blog! I wonder if you could consider doing a write-up on the significance of tea/qahwa in Saudi Arabian culture. It is perhaps one of the most striking aspects of Saudi culture IMHO and similar to that observed in societies like China.
Keep up the great work. Cheers!
Firas MR,
Thank you very much for your kind comments. Actually if you do a search in the search block for Arabic coffee and tea you will find I have done several posts already on their origin and preparation with photos!
Regards,
Carol
Thanks for that Carol. Shukran jazeelan
. You’ve already covered quite a lot on Saudi culture! Do you follow the Saudi Aramco World magazine? I think it’s a great magazine and worth checking out if you haven’t already!
Hi Firas MR, Oh yes, I very much enjoy the Saudi Aramco World magazine. It is a quality publication.
And afwan…my pleasure!
Carol, I just discovered your blog after doing a search on the Rab al-Khali desert. Amazing that you are doing this! It’s like a window to a place that we as Americans receive almost NO news whatsoever. And… if we do it’s usually rather negative. I left a quick request on the Rab al-Khali blog you have but wanted to write you here in hopes of getting a rapid response. I have many questions pertaing to The Kingdom and also to various countries in the surrounding vicinity. I also would love to join any group that is planning a trip across the great desert Rab al-Khali. Thank you for all of your efforts!
Matthew,
Thank you and welcome to the blog. Please do not hesitate to post any queries you may have. I will make every effort to respond to them.
Best Regards,
Carol
Is Jeddah much different from Riyadh?
I have an empolyment opportunity with a Builder and would be coming to Jeddah in next few months.
Any insights on Do’s and Don’ts.
Yes, there is a big distinction between Riyadh and Jeddah. I suggest in the search box you do a search on Jeddah and you will find where I have written multiple posts about Jeddah.
Best Regards,
Carol
Thanks Carol/delhi4cats –
When are you Carol and when are you delhi4cats.
I did do the search some general information came up. I have some specific questions. do you mind if ask those..
1 – I am a US citizen with Indian/pakistani descent? How challenging the life would become in Jeddah.
2 – Are there US social groups, esp. for women? trying to find something for my wife?
You’re welcome Ramesh.
You can refer to me as either Carol or delhi4cats…kind of like one and the same!
As a US citizen of Pakistani/Indian descent, just make sure to negotiate for a benefit/salary package as a US national. Your heritage should not make life challenging in Jeddah; it should allow you to move easily between differing cultural groups.
I believe Jeddah offers more options and activities for women (and children) as well as having more venues to do things as a family. There are very active groups of expat (western) women in Jeddah offering a variety of activities such as book clubs, card playing, beach outings, charity bizarres and a lot more.
If given a choice between Riyadh and Jeddah, I would choose Jeddah (with no offense to Riyadh but…)
Great –
You are very kind in your responses. I believe I have negotiated to the best of my circumstances. I have been offered a position of Senior Manager (Construction) with Emaar EC. I am not sure if you have some parameters that I need to consider w.r.t to my package. I have Base, Housing, Auto, Eduction, Ticket for the family back to the US (once a year). Offcourse, I am comparing these numbers to some of the similar positions in the US, and am not sure what the difference between the two packages (US and Jeddah) should be.
My wife is a medical school graduate with some experience with the State Department of Health, not the hard core medicine. I have been told that short of any certification from the US, UK, or West, she may face some challenges in finding a hard core medical job. She intends to go back to the medical system as a doctor. I am talking to few people to seek some guidance. Do you know if the US Embassy or Consulate offer some assistance with these situations?
What groups in Jeddah would you recommend that I should contact when I am there? We plan on making an exploratory visit to Jeddah before making a final move. I do have some friends from Pakistan and India who are helping me with some stuff, but I wanted to get some ideas from the US perspective.
Warm Regards
Ramesh
Ramesh,
my pleasure! Sounds like you ahve negotiated a standard package and remember, the first 75,000 US$ is tax exempt so there is where real savings can come in…as well as you do not have to provide housing, transport, etc.
My comment in regards to women working is that any women who comes to the Kingdom desiring to work can find employment. Again, I have written past posts on this topic. I’ve no doubt a hospital, medical school, clinic or some other institution would have an interest in someone with her qualifications.
I am not as familiar with Jeddah but I know that the American Ladies of Jeddah have been pretty active (guess that would be more oriented to your wife) as well as the British Women of Jeddah. If you have not done so yet, join the newsgroup expatsinsaudiarabia@yahoogroups.com where you will be able to start dialoging with individuals in Jeddah.
Thank you so much for your continued response.
Standard Package? Is it good or Bad? My understanding is as of 2006 the taxfree amount is $86K now, but the tax bracket remains on the full amount. So if you are making $100K, the taxbracket (16%)is on $100K, applied towards your $14K, not the tax bracket on $14K.
I will communicate with Jeddah folks to get some specific informatoin on Jedday and its environ.
Where in the US are you from, if I may ask?
Regards
Ramesh
I’m not a tax expert and would advise checking with an accountant accustomed to expat clients on tax issues.
I am originally from Pennsylvania which I mentioned in my story of my husband and I and how it all began (although we did not meet in the States). But I guess I’ve become a true expat having spent most of my life in various countries around the world and like to think I am adaptable enough to be able to settle anywhere.
Thank you Carol –
You are kind of my neighbor then, I am from NJ.
Thank you for your advise. It has been very valuable.
I am talking to my accountant on taxes and other related matters. Thank you.
Hope to catch you sometime soon.
Regards
Ramesh
You are very welcome. Please do not be a stranger and participate with your comments on some of the other posts too.
Hi, i read about your blog about the internet options here in the kingdom. Its horrendous to say the least, but we have to live with it.
I heard from a friend about a new prepaid wifi service at 1gb per month. I Know this is not much but since i am only interested with emailing and chatting with overseas loved ones this one seems to interest me. Do have any information about this? personal experience or those of your friends? If you do, i hope you can post a blog about it. Thanks a lot!
I found your previous blog very informative! More blessings!
Welcome Hana!
I suggest you search my blog on the term “internet” as I’ve written a number of posts. What you have described may be Wimax (available from Zooom or Al Bayanat) or Mobiliy Connect. Former posts of mine do go into detail on both of these options and my experiences with both of them.
Best Regards,
Carol
Dear Carol,
I am trying to help a friend here in the Philippines whose work contract in Saudi was pre-termintated due to the non-renewal of her iqama.
My friend argues that the renewal of her iqama is the responsibity of her employer while her employer argues otherwise.
Article 40 of the Labor Law of Saudi imposes upon the employer the responsibility to pay for the fees of iqama, but quite silent whether the “act of renewing” belongs to the employer as well.
In the even that you know any legal basis (a law, decree, etc.) that states ir clearly provides that it is the duty of the employer to renew iqama, you will be helping us both.
Thanks and all the best for you and your family. Please email me. Thanks again.
Lance, thanks for your comment and query. I can say from my own experience after working for two of the largest employers in Riyadh that the EMPLOYEE is expected to initiate renewal of the iqama before its expiry. This was clearly stated in the employee manual given to employees as well as a verbal briefing during orientation.
So I am afraid it really depends on whom one works for in regards to whether action is initiated by the employer or employee.
Best Regards,
Carol
Hi Carol, i’d lost track of your blog for awhile. i love your “you know you’re in Saudi when:”
I just visited Jeddah for the first time last week. I’d choose Jeddah over Riyadh anyday!
The lady thinking to move here as a single mom- tell her to think long and hard. Most of us move here already married, with or without kids. It’s hard enough at that. without a husband and with a child- it will be difficult for her.
OK, there is my opinion for the day.
send me an e-mail when you have time.
mich
Nice to see you back Michele and thanks for the comment!
Yes.
A much better, clearer and very attractive template for your great blog
Love it.
Thank you Jewaira!!
Respected Sir,
Kindly Help me publish my letter of plight to Saudi Royal court addressing custodian of two holy mosques his majesty the king Abdullah Bin Abdul Aziz for his attention.
To
King and Prime minister
The custodian of two holy mosques
His Majesty King Abdullah Bin Abdul Aziz
Royal Courts, Riyadh
Saudi Arabia
Your Majesty,
I have previously submitted my plight to you through postal mail in Royal court last months and still I’m waiting for my case to be justify by your hand. I have worked previously in Saudi Arabia in Herfy Food Services Co; Ltd. and I have still some dues for medical compensations in which company officials have failed to provide me as I claim again and again. As I have mention that according company insurance policy I have right to claim and entitled for it. I have paid previously for 13years to insurance company every months for the purpose of medical terms as stated by company. Now it’s become three years I have try to claim or address to company officials but still they are refusing directly for which reasons I ‘m not known for it. As you have make new reforms in labour law according to action plan passed in the Gulf Cooperation Council convention in Doha accord but still it is yet to fulfill or came into action in Saudi Arabia. I have being physically disable working in your country for 13 years of my life and now I’m rewarding back by this way through your people. This is not act of human nature or it is also against the islamic ideologies as Allah teaches show mercy on other, but is this the way muslims payback others in time of help needed. Your Majesty this is not about the reasons that I have asking something it’s because your country is rich but I have real reasons to ask for my financial assistance as your country took out my happiness in life.
Prabal Rai
Kathmandu,Nepal
Email: paulrai2004@yahoo.com
Address:
P.O>Box 15142 K.P.C. 485
Kathmandu, Nepal
Tel. 00977-9803148536 or 00977-1-6636281
As salam aleikum Carol,
It is so nice to read your blog, Insha’allah your health is in excellent shape now. I am happy that your experience was not dissapointing in the saudi hospital.
I am joining my saudi husband soon in Riyadh and I will be working there as a designer, We have lived married for 5 years in USA but I am really looking forward to live in the Kingdom within the saudi culture.
I would love to stay touch with you and maybe meeting someday insha’allah.
We are looking for a villa to buy in Riyadh, maybe you know somebody who can help us with it?
All The Best,
Umm Sultan
Salam Alaikum Umm Sultan,
It is a pleasure to hear from you and welcome to the blog. That is nice you will soon be shifting to Riyadh.
In regards to buying a villa, you should first know what area of the city in which you wish to live and then work with a realtor familiar with that particular area. If you know what area you are interested in, let me know and I’ll see if I am able to put you in touch with someone.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Regards,
Carol
Salam again, Carol:)
The area we wanted to buy is in old Riyadh, close to Olaya st, but I know there are old villas there…
I prefer something newer and stylish ( I am an interior designer
My husband works on Olaya across Kingdom Tower so it will be good to have something close there unless we find something much better, newer in other area.
When we were looking at houses in USA we wanted great value, good location and good architecture, not in specific place.
Thank you so much for all advices,
Regards,
Umm Sultan
AA Carol,
Hope all is well with you and your recovery. I have a suggestion for a post, if you don’t mind. With my due date not too far off, I was curious to know if the new parents in Saudia still follow the 40 day rule of seperation. Here in America it really isn’t followed. I’m sure its probably due to lack of family and friends who can help accommmodate the situation while trying to take care of their own family and possibly work or go to school outside of the home. I do know in Africa it is still followed. Normally the new mother will go to her parents home or maybe a sisters or in some cases the new father will go to a relatives and the new mothers relatives will come to her home.
Also curious to know how much participation the father has as far as doctors appointments and the delivery in Saudia. I’m sure you know that here in America men can be present for most anything and nowadays most are.
Also once mom, dad, and baby are home together how involved are most Saudi dads? Do they change diapers, do feedings, do baths, help in the middle of the night? Alhumdulillah, my husband helps with most of the above mentioned but I don’t know about the other African dads!!! ; )
Umm Sultan, There are indeed villas available in the Olaya area. Olaya is considered a very prestigious area and one of the most centrally located being in the City Centre. As a result, be prepared for villas which will be priced in the millions for this location. Also if you are not aware, Saudi Arabia does not yet offer mortgage options like one is accustomed to in the USA. I will also ask around for reputable realtors specializing in the Olaya area but I am not optimistic that much progress or interaction would be made prior to arrival. The system here in working with realtors is quite different than other places. You are usually the one having to track them down and go to them instead of them “working for you” readily making appointments and taking you around. Most people I know have also made sure to contact multiple realtors to help them out.
Tina – how exciting that your due date is near and you’ll have to keep us apprised! Do you know yet what you are having? And thanks for the post suggestion. It will be a pleasure to write on that topic!
AA Carol,
Mosh’Allah its a girl! Insh’Allah we will name her Aisha. I’m doing alot of “nesting” right now! Insh’Allah I will get it all done before she decides to come! ; ) Insh’Allah I will let you know when she arrives. The OBGYN says Aug.21st but I think between the 8th and the 16th. We’ll see!!! Hope all is well with you and your health!
Aisha is a lovely name for a daughter! Do that nesting and conserve your strength and energry — you’ll be drawing upon it soon. And early August I’ll be having that post about pregnancy you had requested.
Hello! I’m not sure if this is still an active blogspot or not, but I found it while searching online for a phone number for Mariyah Center in Riyadh. I’ve been living in the ME for 23 years, many of those in Riyadh. I’ve been more out of the Kingdom than in for the past three or four years, and am now planning to spend most of my time here again and would like to reconnect with the community. My husband is Egyptian and works in the banking sector. I’m American, and am a freelance writer. I love to read, write and meet new people. Thanks for this blog!
Mayabaraka,
Yes; I can assure you this is an active blog! It is a pleasure to have you here and look forward to additional comments.
Regards,
Carol
Hi Carol,
Just a quick comment, stumbled onto this informative site. Really great read and appreciate the insight into Saudi life and culture.
Looking forward to moving to Riyadh in the next month or so.
Cheers
Shannon (Melbourne, Australia)
Welcome Shannon and happy to see you here. Please let me know when you arrive in Riyadh.
Carol, I learn so much from your blog. It’s fascinating. Could you do a review of the Princess Trilogy by Jean Sasson? I loved that series. May I link to your blog on mine? Thank you, Karen
Hi Karen,
Thanks for the nice compliment. Actually I have shied away from the Princess Triology by Jean Sasson as they go more for sensationalism rather than typical realities of life in KSA. Well…I guess I just gave you a mini review! (smile)
And you are certainly welcome to link your blog.
Best Regards,
Carol
Interesting! Thanks for the mini-review!
you’re welcome.
Hi Carol, you were referred to me by John, I am considering moving to Jeddah for a new job. It is wonderful to be able to read your vastly informative information. I love it! So helpful. Thank you,
JJUSA1 – thank you and welcome to the blog! If you have any questions I can address, please do not hesitate to post a comment or email me directly at admin(at symbol)americanbedu.com
Regards,
Carol
- found you through google, because I’m trying to re-create the saudi breakfasts I enjoyed when living in EP. Thanks for the shakshuka recipe; foul was never my favorite. Do you know how to make what I knew as “galaba” – like foul, but different (dahl, I think), and eaten with tameez, and dashes of sour cream and other spicy sauces of I know not what! – appreciate any help.
Jon – welcome! I’ll have to check on the dish you have referred to. I don’t know it myself but I’ll see if I can find out!
There is no recycling program in Riyadh. Every day millions of plastic bottles have the opportunity of being reused but instead gets thrown into the desert. Is there any way we can build awareness to start a recycling program in this part of the world?
Jawad – please stay tuned for an upcoming post on this very subject!
Hello,
I stumbled upon your page while working ( I am a software engineer and computers takes some time to do what you want it to do ). This is also the first blog entry i have read so far, but i did scan the titles of your other ones and i am interested ( so what if i do judge things by there covers).
I have spent the time between 2002 and 2008 in Oregon USA, which I would consider very liberal. and I was very fascinated by the cultures of the north wester Americans. But now I am back after completing my studies, an I find the the only way to keep myself interested in people around me, is to look at them as would a foreigner.
I am a person who grew up around educated parents, and also around so many wester cartoons ( family was recording cartoons when betamax first came out, while they were studying abroad. )
but now, after a couple of years of soul searching, I found that I am more comfortable relating to westerner who are looking for the alternatives in there lives, culture and thought.
So after that that introduction, I would like to express my happiness to see blogs like yours. I am not yet introduced to the social blogging thing yet in saudi, but I have been reading tech blogs for a while. I even made mine, even though I don’t update it often. maybe I should expand it to do more social blogging.
again thank you ^.^
please visit my blog
http://www.magiccarpetproject.com
Abdullah – welcome and thank you very much for your comments. I hope that you will become a regular reader.
Best Regards,
Carol
hi carol,
i enjoyed reading your blog. i am trying to find some information about saudi misssionary visiting bangladesh (british india) in the 1930s. there is a personal story behind it. but first i want to find out if a pattern existed where religious leaders going to far off land to teach or spread islam during that time frame. i was born in bangladesh, grew in kuwait most of my childhood and now live in iowa.
i look forward to hearing from you.
thanks,
ahsan
Welcome Ahsan and glad you are enjoying the blog.
I know that different charities and islamic organizations have indeed gone far and wide to promote Islam and build schools. I did an earlier post which I’ll see if I can pull up the link for you.
Here’s the link Ahsan:
http://americanbedu.com/2008/03/21/its-okay-to-proselytize-islam/
Hey Carol…blogging question…I just put a widget for recent comments…but I cant make it look like yours…post title and author name….mine shows first few words of comment only…any idea how I can change it to look like yours? I realize wordpress and blogger are different but Im hoping this particular thing might be similar…thanks in advance.
Coolred – I wish I could help. I believe the wordpress template I use automatically set up the comments the way it did and I did not have to do anything. Have you thought about switching over to wordpress?
There is no recycling program in Riyadh!
There will be a “Recycling & Waste Management” event Sunday, May 3rd 2009 until Wednesday, May 6th 2009 at the Riyadh Exhibition Center. Look it up on google.
It’s free admission and I hope you can get the word out and hopefully I will see you there and hopefully you can take many pictures to put on your blog!!!!
Jawad Ahmad
The website for the “Recycling & Waste Management” event is http://www.recexpo.com
I actually have a post already drafted on the topic of recycling and to include this event and its website. It will probably be posted in November. Stay tuned!
American bedu please reply me once u had my message on ur email above, i really need ur help
How can you meet up with American groups?
Abu Abdullah – I will check my email.
Ron – Call the International (American) school and ask to be put through to the American Community Riyadh office. Additionally there is the American Business Group of Riyadh which meets monthly for breakfast/networking meetings that is a good venue too.
Hello
We are two girls from sweden, and right now we are doing a work about women in saudiaarbia, we found your blog and, and thought that we could ask you some questions.
-How do you experience the treat you get from saudi men in buissnes?
- Are you supposed to act in a different way among men?
-Whats the biggest differens between living in saudiarabia and USA?
We would love to hear from you
Gabriell and Emelie
Dear Gabriell and Emelie,
Welcome to my blog!
I am happy to say that I have had positive business experiences with men in Saudi Arabia whether they are a Saudi or an expat. The key of course is profesionalism and knowledgability of the customs, cultures and traditions. In a sense one does act differently among men by being more formal. For example, I will not extend my hand first unless the man does. Instead I will put my hand over my heart and say “pleased to meet you.” In a meeting with men, a woman will usually retain her abaya and therefore it is beneficial to have a professional “business abaya” which is more formal or tailored than an “everyday abaya.” Depending on the type of meeting, I may or may wear a lose cover over my head. But most importantly the key to success is to know your role as pertains to the business meeting and maintain your professionalism. Western women due to upbringing tend to be less formal and friendlier than an Eastern woman in business which sometimes can be misinterpreted.
In regards to biggest differences in living in Saudi Arabia and USA I suggest you read through my blog postings as there are many about this exact topic!
Best Regards,
Carol
I am to be traveling to Jeddah from the United States in the near furture for work. I am the first female from the office to be traveling to Saudi Arabia and need some advice as the men in my office obviously do not have the same issues and therefore not sure what to tell me.
I am understanding I need an abaya. But I’m not understanding what is an appropiate style/color/material for professional meetings? I was looking online and felt a little confused. I have been reading your blog some, but a little nervous about purchasing the wrong abaya.
Any advice would be very appreciated.
Thanks!!!
CB
CB,
Welcome and thanks for your comment. To begin with I am sure you will find Jeddah to be a lovely seaside city and it is much more open, less conservative than Riyadh. Yes, you will require an abaya. Many expat woman prefer a black abaya which is predominantly all black which falls from the shoulders (vice the head) to the ankles. Usually the abaya is worn loose rather than fitted and of an opaque material.
It does not need to be completely black. It can have some contrasting color if you wish.
These can be found in the States at any Islamic store and even some of high scale department stores will also have a section offering abayas.
Please do a search on my blog for the term abaya and you will see earlier posts I’ve written which also include links and photos of differing styles and types.
Do you also have a point of contact in Jeddah with whom you can communicate? Will you be working with Saudis? Depending on what kind of work environment you are going in to you may or may not need to wear the abaya while at work but only when out and about.
Best Regards,
Carol
Carol, did you get wind of the All Saudi Female rock band? I came across them in crossroads blog. It’s a very interesting phenomenon!! I think it says a lot of how even conservative, the Saudi youth is diverse in it’s opinions and directions. Social change is happening on a very fast level.
I am having trouble posting this.. tried 3 differnt browsers for 5 times. I hope I am not spamming you.
Yes, I did and I think it is great!!!!
I’ve been reading your blog almost everyday lately Carol & I was wondering if you’re going to blog about driving in Saudi arabia??
1stbite – I encourage you to use “drive or driving” as a search term (see search bar in upper right corner of blog) and you will not be disappointed as I have addressed this topic from different directions and perspectives.
I’ll try to add a few of the links that I think would interest you:
http://americanbedu.com/2008/06/09/fueling-riyadh-road-rage/
http://americanbedu.com/2008/08/24/saudi-drifting/
http://americanbedu.com/2008/08/16/saudi-arabia-parking-101/
http://americanbedu.com/2008/06/24/saudi-arabia-the-women-who-dared-to-drive/
http://americanbedu.com/2008/03/28/women-driving-1990-are-we-still-there/
http://americanbedu.com/2007/11/22/new-road-rules-in-the-kingdom-can-they-be-enforced/
http://americanbedu.com/2007/10/18/traffic-stats-and-new-policies/
http://americanbedu.com/2007/10/18/mecca-drivers/
http://americanbedu.com/2007/10/18/observations-on-saudi-parking-techniques/
http://americanbedu.com/2007/10/18/to-get-a-driver-or-not/
http://americanbedu.com/2007/10/18/stupid-driving-antics/
http://americanbedu.com/2007/10/18/more-on-culture-and-driving/
http://americanbedu.com/2007/10/18/women-cannot-drive-handy-conveniences/
Oh! I guess I came to the party late..
You know why I asked? It’s because it’s the main thing that get us pissed off me & my husband whenever we go out. People honk at you, cut you, try to pass you even if the light is red & they’ll have to stop in less than 30 seconds! It’s really a chaos to live in Riyadh & I really get worried about my husband’s safety all the time. That’s why I was asking you if you’ll blog about the way some Saudis & expatriates from asia drive & behave here..Really I’m so mad at them & I wish I had some authority to change this. And by the way, thanks a lot for the links
Here are some tips about driving in KSA, especially in large cities.
A- Avoid driving on weekends in Costal cities like Jeddah or Dammam/Dahran.
B- Avoid going out for a drive on weekdays in any city in KSA at 6-8 am 12:30 to 1:30 pm. This time usually you will encounter young highschool students driving to and back from schools. Also other drivers you might be able to identify as trouble are those private owned vans/mini-buss types, those are especially trouble because they try to maximize their profit per day by driving fast so they can transport more student per day. Those guys can be extremely reckless.
C- I am sorry about this ladies, but it’s something that one of my friends noted, I agree with him to some extent. Be wary of domestic-help type of drivers who take their household women to markets. I think the drivers are usually unexperienced, while my friend adds that some women have spontinous whims to stop at some store at any given moment, making the driver panic.
D- Stay wary of taxis, white ones and especially yellow ones! They do some sudden movements without even calculating just to try to stop next to the customer. I believe this might be a problem in other places too. But the yellow taxis are usually poorly maintained and old made that their owner doesn’t care about their car or the road.
E- Try to figure out which roads you can commune with without having to enter the center of the city or crowded areas.
F- Keep glancing your side mirrors while driving and pay attention to them when you want to change lanes, this is pretty basic but it will help you avoid people who overtake from the left.
One last tip, I read this somewhere but I found it pretty useful in any place. When you drive, just think everyone else driving around you are crazy.
Sorry in Tip E, I meant people who overtake from the right or the side lanes.
DW – thank you – those are excellent tips indeed!
Thank you so much for the tips DW.
Carol,
I was looking for pictures from Taif and I’m not real sure how I came across your blog. However, since I did, I have enjoyed reading everything. I’ll be bookmarking it so that I can read regularly.
Thanks
Amal,
Thank you very much. I’m happy to have you here and enjoying all your comments!
Regards,
Carik
AA Carol,
Am I losing my mind!!! Since you changed your blog around has the American blogroll disappeared?! I only see the Saudi Arabia blogroll. I used to be able to link to other blogs from you but now its gone : (
Tina,
Since I have decided to highlight the focus and emphasis on Saudi Arabia you are correct in that I removed other blogs from the blogroll….you may now find them under the new LINKS page that I created!
Hey, I was wondering if you know anything about children’s rights in Saudi Arabia. Or anything about Social work with children in S.A? Also, are there job opportunities in S.A for social workers?
I am studying Childhood and Social institutions in the University of Western Ontario as a major and I am thinking of getting my social work degree as well. I am might be moving back to S.A this summer and I would like some help in this area if you have any information about it. Thank you! btw you are great and i love reading your posts. I just discovered you today not sure how. I usualy just surf the net and end up at sites that ireally like. I would like to make an account but I am not sure what the site is called cuz I was directed to your site right away. Thank you so much!
Have a great day in ksa, i really miss itttttt….i think for the amazing food and shopping! loool.
Hey, I was wondering if you know anything about children’s rights in Saudi Arabia. Or anything about Social work with children in S.A? Also, are there job opportunities in S.A for social workers?
Welcome Heba! I do not know much about children’s rights in KSA at this time although I can say this is a subject much discussed…particularly with recent cases of 8 and 10 year olds being promised in marriage. These cases have attracted international attention and getting much local attention as well and showcasing the need for child rights.
To my knowledge there is not a great demand for social workers in KSA at this time…that does not necessarily mean the need is non-existent!
I’m glad you discovered the blog and look forward to seeing you return.
Regards,
Carol
AA Carol,
Thank you!!! Nice to know I’ve not lost my mind!!! ; ) Though it sometimes feels like it!
AA Tina,
No problem and you are very welcome.
Hi Carol,
I just stumble upon your website last nite and began reading all the informative info. provided. Very helpful especially when visiting Riyadh back and forth from the USA. I have a question pertaining to a channel 2 show recently aired the other day . It was The Way Of Life and the focus of the show was Saudi traditional clothing. There was a woman interviewed who is a collector of Saudi costumes in Riyadh. I tried to get her name but by the time I found a pen it was to late. Is there anyway of contacting her? I too am a collector of Saudi antiques for the last 25 years( also a saudi cooking instructor and lecturer over the years in Eastern province and Riyadh ACS) and have aquired many things including a few pieces clothing of which was was shown on the show and it had a name I did not catch. I would really like to get in touch with this woman if possible ASAP as I am leaving KSA next Wed. Feb 4.
Thanks for your help and your website
Sabrina
Sabrina,
You should call Saudi TV channel 2 directly or email me directly and I’ll see if I can put you in touch with someone (admin@americanbedu.com)
You may also wish to obtain a book published by Awatif Al Qunaibet which is about the history of Saudi traditional dress of Al Qassim. The book also contains pictures with the various styles models as well as history and background behind the different costumes. Again, email me and I can give you more info.
Don’t know if this might help …
http://www.mansoojat.org/
Thank you Susan – that is a very interesting link!
Thank you Susan viewing the link mansoojat.org help a lot in identifing some of my customs and thank you Carol I will contact you directly. For the book you mentioned where might I find it in Riyadh, Jarir?
Sabrina – I will have to put you in direct contact with the author.
Thanks again Carol I’ll be waiting for that contact number and info. on the Channel 2 Way of Life recent guest a collector of Saudi customs here in Riyadh.
I also plan to visit the spa you recommended Monday.
Sabrina
hello Carol,
I’ll be heading back to the US this friday will be back later this year. Could you tell me where I can find that book you recommeded in Riyadh? I will stay in contact while I’m in the US.
Thanks,
Sabrina
Sabrina – are you receiving my emails? I sent you one with info in that regards.
Hey Carol,
Have you considered writing about the Riyadh Comdey Show this weekend. It’s a ‘face’ of the strict city we’ve never seen before.
Search for ‘riyadh comdey’ on facebook for more.
Viviane,
Thanks for the info. I will do the search but not sure if I’ll be able to write about not being there firsthand but l’ll see…
Hi American Bedu
I really like the layout of your blog. If you don’t mind sharing, which software do you use? I am guessing wordpress.org
I just started using blogger by google, but it doesn’t look as professional as this.
Thanks,
Fellow Blogger
Hi fellow blogger. Yes; I use wordpress as a platform and chose the Digg 3 Column theme.
In case you missed it, a subject you pioneered, a while back:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/08/world/middleeast/08drift.html?hp
Abutaza – so glad to hear from you! Thanks for the link. I enjoyed reading the story on drifting. And yes, we still routinely see this activity practiced on the streets of Riyadh.
I need your help to support for my signature campaign drive in your
blog for supporting the cause of all Asian migrant workers who have
been exploiting day by day due to Saudi government weaker policy to
protect their rights and welfare. I have sending you two sites for
detail informations. First one is article written in Gates of Vienna
and other one is for Petition signature. I hope you will support this
cause to stop crime against humanity by signing it furtherer.
Thank you
Prabal Rai
http://tinyurl.com/3xbgwd
http://gopetition.com/petitions/stop-exploitation-of-asian-migrant-workers.html
Hi American Bedu,
even I haven’t got time to read all, I love your website especially for someone new living here like myself. This is the place I can think of for my questions :
* Getting a professional furniture repair for several items broken during the removal from Australia.
* Getting Japanese and piano tutors for my daughters who are 15 and 10 years old.
Thank you.
@Two angels,
Welcome!
What city are you located in? If in Riyadh, I suggest the following:
furniture repair: you can find reputable individuals at either Al
Owais (Kuwaiti souk) or in Deira. These same individuals can also
make very reasonable customized furniture as well.
Japanese tutor: I’d suggest placing a call to the Japanese embassy
and ask them for a recommendation.
Piano tutor: The American school (International) or American
Community Riyadh (ACR) can provide recommendations. They have lists
of individuals with various skills and are seeking students.
Best Regards,
Bedu