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	<title>Comments on: Saudi Arabia:  The Tribal Tree</title>
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		<title>By: Saudi Arabia: August Monthly Photo – Desert Camping &#171; American Bedu</title>
		<link>http://americanbedu.com/2010/07/27/saudi-arabia-the-tribal-tree/#comment-47947</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Saudi Arabia: August Monthly Photo – Desert Camping &#171; American Bedu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 00:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] was kind enough to provide another of his photographs to share with American Bedu readers.  This one depicts how Saudi guys will typically enjoy [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: American Bedu</title>
		<link>http://americanbedu.com/2010/07/27/saudi-arabia-the-tribal-tree/#comment-46362</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[American Bedu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Aafke - I knew there was a flaming Princess inside of you!  (big smile) ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Aafke &#8211; I knew there was a flaming Princess inside of you!  (big smile) </p>
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		<title>By: Aafke-Art</title>
		<link>http://americanbedu.com/2010/07/27/saudi-arabia-the-tribal-tree/#comment-46353</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aafke-Art]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Only in patriarchal societies are women&#039;s names left out. In earlier societies inheritance went through the female line, so everybody knew their mother line. In these instances the motherline is lost. Which is a pity as in vertebrate animals at least 65% of the genetic material comes from the mother, so a child will always carry more genetic material from the mother than it does from the father.

I was therefore far more interested in the dam of my horse than his sire.

Remnants of the importance of the female line can still be found by the Jews, when the mother is Jewish the children are supposed to be Jewish as well. 
And in England the oldest titles can be inherited by a daughter as well as a son.
And in Arabia the families of the Arabian horses were counted by the mother lines. Lord and Lady Blunt were amongst a very small number of European travelers who understood the matriarchal system of Arab horse&#039;s bloodlines.

I drew a tree for my horse Rabhar who was almost exclusively Crabbet Park and whose ancestors go back centuries, and were brought back by the Blunts to England.

Of course my own family tree is fascinating: there was the 17th century pirate &#039;&#039;Thundering Berend&#039;&#039; who was the scourge of the seven seas, and went through 6 wives, until the seventh who was too quick for him and ran him through with a cutlass. they were my ancestors from my Father&#039;s family.
Before Thundering Berend my father&#039;s ancestors used to be &#039;&#039;the Black Knights&#039;&#039; who ruled much of the northern Netherlands. btw all the women were recorded on the family tree as they were the most dangerous and therefore brought in the most booty.

From my mother&#039;s family I am descended from ancient royal bloodlines, hence the blue color of the blood in my veins, All the women were renowned warriors and carried Germanic names like kriemhild, Sieglinde etc. (Those names mean things like &#039;&#039;Victorious in battle&#039;&#039;  &#039;&#039;Shield of the snake tree&#039;&#039; my mother&#039;s name meant &#039;&#039;Brave and compassionate in battle&#039;&#039; (really!)) My mother&#039;s line goes all the way back to the goddess Freia, three thousand years ago and the Walkure which explains my tendency to beat up men whom I don&#039;t like.
Actually both bloodlines explain that.
:twisted:]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only in patriarchal societies are women&#8217;s names left out. In earlier societies inheritance went through the female line, so everybody knew their mother line. In these instances the motherline is lost. Which is a pity as in vertebrate animals at least 65% of the genetic material comes from the mother, so a child will always carry more genetic material from the mother than it does from the father.</p>
<p>I was therefore far more interested in the dam of my horse than his sire.</p>
<p>Remnants of the importance of the female line can still be found by the Jews, when the mother is Jewish the children are supposed to be Jewish as well.<br />
And in England the oldest titles can be inherited by a daughter as well as a son.<br />
And in Arabia the families of the Arabian horses were counted by the mother lines. Lord and Lady Blunt were amongst a very small number of European travelers who understood the matriarchal system of Arab horse&#8217;s bloodlines.</p>
<p>I drew a tree for my horse Rabhar who was almost exclusively Crabbet Park and whose ancestors go back centuries, and were brought back by the Blunts to England.</p>
<p>Of course my own family tree is fascinating: there was the 17th century pirate &#8221;Thundering Berend&#8221; who was the scourge of the seven seas, and went through 6 wives, until the seventh who was too quick for him and ran him through with a cutlass. they were my ancestors from my Father&#8217;s family.<br />
Before Thundering Berend my father&#8217;s ancestors used to be &#8221;the Black Knights&#8221; who ruled much of the northern Netherlands. btw all the women were recorded on the family tree as they were the most dangerous and therefore brought in the most booty.</p>
<p>From my mother&#8217;s family I am descended from ancient royal bloodlines, hence the blue color of the blood in my veins, All the women were renowned warriors and carried Germanic names like kriemhild, Sieglinde etc. (Those names mean things like &#8221;Victorious in battle&#8221;  &#8221;Shield of the snake tree&#8221; my mother&#8217;s name meant &#8221;Brave and compassionate in battle&#8221; (really!)) My mother&#8217;s line goes all the way back to the goddess Freia, three thousand years ago and the Walkure which explains my tendency to beat up men whom I don&#8217;t like.<br />
Actually both bloodlines explain that. <img src='http://s2.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif' alt=':twisted:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: susanne430</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lynn, I was walking in the grocery store recently and saw a display of brooms. I smiled to myself as I considered getting another vehicle. 

&quot;Women are angels and when someone breaks our wings, we simply continue to fly...on a broomstick...we&#039;re flexible like that.&quot;   :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynn, I was walking in the grocery store recently and saw a display of brooms. I smiled to myself as I considered getting another vehicle. </p>
<p>&#8220;Women are angels and when someone breaks our wings, we simply continue to fly&#8230;on a broomstick&#8230;we&#8217;re flexible like that.&#8221;   <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: kristine</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kristine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LOL Lynn!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL Lynn!</p>
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		<title>By: Flame</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Flame]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Children of the slaves, however, were included, although recorded differently from the children born to the wives of the free men.&quot;
and what about children, born by slave women to free men?
are they recorded differently too?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Children of the slaves, however, were included, although recorded differently from the children born to the wives of the free men.&#8221;<br />
and what about children, born by slave women to free men?<br />
are they recorded differently too?</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 00:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We have a family tree. This kids made it for school. It was a fun project to do and they got to interview their grandparents and learn some family history. It is very interesting to search through the now on-line records from Ellis Island (used to be the port of entry for immigrants to the US) I don&#039;t think that people who are into researching family trees do it to find out who they are or anything like that. I think it&#039;s just an interesting puzzle for some people. So, I come from royalty but what good has that done ME? But perhaps it explains the way my pinkie insists on sticking up when I drink my tea. And would anyone here really be surprised that one leaf on my family tree was hung for being a witch? My husband isn&#039;t! LOL]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a family tree. This kids made it for school. It was a fun project to do and they got to interview their grandparents and learn some family history. It is very interesting to search through the now on-line records from Ellis Island (used to be the port of entry for immigrants to the US) I don&#8217;t think that people who are into researching family trees do it to find out who they are or anything like that. I think it&#8217;s just an interesting puzzle for some people. So, I come from royalty but what good has that done ME? But perhaps it explains the way my pinkie insists on sticking up when I drink my tea. And would anyone here really be surprised that one leaf on my family tree was hung for being a witch? My husband isn&#8217;t! LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Strangeone</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Strangeone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the family tree is an interesting thing, even if in this case it only traces back the males in the family. I do not know mine much past my great-grandparents either, so I find it a bit interesting that some people are able to trace theirs back for generations and generations. I feel sorry for the person that tries to do that with mine. LOL. It would be nice to tell people what my &quot;ancestry&quot; is when they ask me, since most do not believe that &quot;US American&quot; is good enough. What I find even more interesting than the family tree are any stories about the family that are passed down from generation to generation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the family tree is an interesting thing, even if in this case it only traces back the males in the family. I do not know mine much past my great-grandparents either, so I find it a bit interesting that some people are able to trace theirs back for generations and generations. I feel sorry for the person that tries to do that with mine. LOL. It would be nice to tell people what my &#8220;ancestry&#8221; is when they ask me, since most do not believe that &#8220;US American&#8221; is good enough. What I find even more interesting than the family tree are any stories about the family that are passed down from generation to generation.</p>
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		<title>By: Behzad</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Behzad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 08:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow!  I had no idea that this picture would illicit so many comments.  It&#039;s difficult for me to place a judgement on the tribal tree.  The reason is that it really has nothing to do with my life.  My wife still has her maiden name.  Before we got married I told her that I don&#039;t mind if she keeps her name.  She told me that she wants my last name.  

We might work on that when I return to the United States.  My family comes from Iran and I have no idea about my family tree past my great grand parents.  I prefer not to have a detailed history because it leaves me free to follow a path that is not locked in the past.  

Family names is like astrology in my opinion.  If your name was Smith several hundred years ago you probably were a blacksmith.  I&#039;m a Libra so I must carry the traits of a Libra.  In my opinion names, astrological signs, and religions are external issues that have nothing to do with my heart and soul.  Just because we are &quot;fallen&quot; into a time and place not of our choosing doesn&#039;t mean that we shouldn&#039;t have free-will.  

I think they&#039;re interesting to study, but that&#039;s the extent of it for me.  If other people like to indulge themselves with lineage, history, religion, or astrology to help define who they are I can&#039;t condemn them.  I also can&#039;t condemn how they pick and choose information from those fields of study.  

I only learn those things to understand those that use those things to define themselves.  Learning how others define themselves gives me a clearer idea of who they are and enables me to better communicate with them.  I may not agree with them, but I&#039;m not going to condemn them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  I had no idea that this picture would illicit so many comments.  It&#8217;s difficult for me to place a judgement on the tribal tree.  The reason is that it really has nothing to do with my life.  My wife still has her maiden name.  Before we got married I told her that I don&#8217;t mind if she keeps her name.  She told me that she wants my last name.  </p>
<p>We might work on that when I return to the United States.  My family comes from Iran and I have no idea about my family tree past my great grand parents.  I prefer not to have a detailed history because it leaves me free to follow a path that is not locked in the past.  </p>
<p>Family names is like astrology in my opinion.  If your name was Smith several hundred years ago you probably were a blacksmith.  I&#8217;m a Libra so I must carry the traits of a Libra.  In my opinion names, astrological signs, and religions are external issues that have nothing to do with my heart and soul.  Just because we are &#8220;fallen&#8221; into a time and place not of our choosing doesn&#8217;t mean that we shouldn&#8217;t have free-will.  </p>
<p>I think they&#8217;re interesting to study, but that&#8217;s the extent of it for me.  If other people like to indulge themselves with lineage, history, religion, or astrology to help define who they are I can&#8217;t condemn them.  I also can&#8217;t condemn how they pick and choose information from those fields of study.  </p>
<p>I only learn those things to understand those that use those things to define themselves.  Learning how others define themselves gives me a clearer idea of who they are and enables me to better communicate with them.  I may not agree with them, but I&#8217;m not going to condemn them.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed Mohiuddin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ahmed Mohiuddin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 08:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The practice of maintaining family tree is really great, I am from India where there is no such practice and recently I stumbled across a person with whom I had common relatives; however it was difficult to find how exactly we would relate to each other. But if we had a family tree the process would have been easier and simpler]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The practice of maintaining family tree is really great, I am from India where there is no such practice and recently I stumbled across a person with whom I had common relatives; however it was difficult to find how exactly we would relate to each other. But if we had a family tree the process would have been easier and simpler</p>
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