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	<title>Comments on: Why Saudi Men Are As They Are</title>
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		<title>By: American Bedu</title>
		<link>http://americanbedu.com/2009/12/27/why-saudi-men-are-as-they-are/#comment-36661</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Welcome H.Z. and thank you for your candid comment. 

I hope that you will continue to share other experiences and views too so we all can continue to learn from each other. 

Regards, American Bedu ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome H.Z. and thank you for your candid comment. </p>
<p>I hope that you will continue to share other experiences and views too so we all can continue to learn from each other. </p>
<p>Regards, American Bedu </p>
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		<title>By: H.Z</title>
		<link>http://americanbedu.com/2009/12/27/why-saudi-men-are-as-they-are/#comment-36647</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi there, I enjoyed reading your post about how Saudi males grow up, and I find most of it applies to me personally. what you have mentioned about how segregation affects the way a Saudi man deal with a &quot;stranger&quot; female is completly true due to the segregated life style we have  in Saudi 

.I am a Saudi student in the U.S right now,  and I REALLY have a problem dealing with females in general, even in Saudi. Most of my close friends would tell me the same thing too. Me and my friends always blame the government and it&#039;s religious system, we always say that our parents and grandparents weren&#039;t like us in the way they delt with women,  and that&#039;s true, my Bedouin aunt may she rest in peace was used to show her face to every one, and also she was well know among men for her strong character, also she used to expect men, even if she was alone in the house, we always bring up these things and make comparisons  when we discuses the matter of dealing with the opposite sex, 

I just wanted to share that with you
Thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there, I enjoyed reading your post about how Saudi males grow up, and I find most of it applies to me personally. what you have mentioned about how segregation affects the way a Saudi man deal with a &#8220;stranger&#8221; female is completly true due to the segregated life style we have  in Saudi </p>
<p>.I am a Saudi student in the U.S right now,  and I REALLY have a problem dealing with females in general, even in Saudi. Most of my close friends would tell me the same thing too. Me and my friends always blame the government and it&#8217;s religious system, we always say that our parents and grandparents weren&#8217;t like us in the way they delt with women,  and that&#8217;s true, my Bedouin aunt may she rest in peace was used to show her face to every one, and also she was well know among men for her strong character, also she used to expect men, even if she was alone in the house, we always bring up these things and make comparisons  when we discuses the matter of dealing with the opposite sex, </p>
<p>I just wanted to share that with you<br />
Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Tudi</title>
		<link>http://americanbedu.com/2009/12/27/why-saudi-men-are-as-they-are/#comment-34112</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 04:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;its useless when you are smoking hubbly bubbly on the beach with your Arab/gulf friends and teaching the spanish girl next to you in class to belly dance and speak habibi arabic.&quot;


LOL!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;its useless when you are smoking hubbly bubbly on the beach with your Arab/gulf friends and teaching the spanish girl next to you in class to belly dance and speak habibi arabic.&#8221;</p>
<p>LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: American Bedu</title>
		<link>http://americanbedu.com/2009/12/27/why-saudi-men-are-as-they-are/#comment-33640</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[American Bedu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 12:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DW - I love your comment and believe you summed up the challenges and explained the Saudi student mindset very well. 

I have hopes that in time the entire Saudi educational system will be reformed and shifted away from rote memorization. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DW &#8211; I love your comment and believe you summed up the challenges and explained the Saudi student mindset very well. </p>
<p>I have hopes that in time the entire Saudi educational system will be reformed and shifted away from rote memorization. </p>
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		<title>By: DW</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 09:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I forgot to follow up with this entry, December been busy here..

I&#039;ll offer some points about cheating and lies.. the problem stems from the Educational System in Saudi Arabia.. its based on a view that you only have to pass not study. You should memorize what you learn.. do your tests and then throw everything you learned out the window. So Education is not valuable after finishing the tests required for them.. the problem for the student then becomes how can I pass this test any way possible. This system also forced good and smart students to cheat as well.. because when they target their next academic step.. its always restricted by their commutative score or science classes scores.. this student who might want to get into dental medicine for example is required by the college to get 95% in high school. A student who might want to become a doctor all his life might have his dream crushed cause a teacher who hates him decided to down score him.. he might end up with 92% or 85%.. he would cheat his way to full scores so he can graduate with the highest score possible. In all honesty I never seen the point to need such a high score.. and those colleges and universities should stop being lazy and concentrate on  aptitude tests to select their admissions. Saudi students who are pressured to succeed or pass will resort to anything from &quot;super&quot; ass kissing powers to cheating or bribes.

why do most who are caught cheating would lie.. well they say he who steals an egg tomorrow steals a camel. Most of them will try to play their card that the teacher is only suspicious with them or that they can pressure him into backing up from a punishment to just a warning so they can continue the test.

Megalos Poutsos, if you teach at a private institute I believe I already deal with this problem myself. I test English for the purpose of recruitment in the government sector I work for. I occasionally get asked by candidates that don&#039;t score well about courses or institutes to improve their English. I seen many who took long courses in English and did not benefit.. or those who went abroad and did not benefit. The reason is simple but critical.. most of them went to get the course/degree and not to learn English. They confuse between the method and the goal by concentrating to pass the method without achieving the goal. Thats why I advise most of them, especially who have very slim chances to develop in short periods of time to only consider improving their English in methods that doesn&#039;t cost them financially... as such as free course or internship into a training facility.. Also Saudis who go abroad.. it very important to stress to them that they are there to study English first and foremost and while social activity is a great tool to learn the language.. its useless when you are smoking hubbly bubbly on the beach with your Arab/gulf friends and teaching the spanish girl next to you in class to belly dance and speak habibi arabic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to follow up with this entry, December been busy here..</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll offer some points about cheating and lies.. the problem stems from the Educational System in Saudi Arabia.. its based on a view that you only have to pass not study. You should memorize what you learn.. do your tests and then throw everything you learned out the window. So Education is not valuable after finishing the tests required for them.. the problem for the student then becomes how can I pass this test any way possible. This system also forced good and smart students to cheat as well.. because when they target their next academic step.. its always restricted by their commutative score or science classes scores.. this student who might want to get into dental medicine for example is required by the college to get 95% in high school. A student who might want to become a doctor all his life might have his dream crushed cause a teacher who hates him decided to down score him.. he might end up with 92% or 85%.. he would cheat his way to full scores so he can graduate with the highest score possible. In all honesty I never seen the point to need such a high score.. and those colleges and universities should stop being lazy and concentrate on  aptitude tests to select their admissions. Saudi students who are pressured to succeed or pass will resort to anything from &#8220;super&#8221; ass kissing powers to cheating or bribes.</p>
<p>why do most who are caught cheating would lie.. well they say he who steals an egg tomorrow steals a camel. Most of them will try to play their card that the teacher is only suspicious with them or that they can pressure him into backing up from a punishment to just a warning so they can continue the test.</p>
<p>Megalos Poutsos, if you teach at a private institute I believe I already deal with this problem myself. I test English for the purpose of recruitment in the government sector I work for. I occasionally get asked by candidates that don&#8217;t score well about courses or institutes to improve their English. I seen many who took long courses in English and did not benefit.. or those who went abroad and did not benefit. The reason is simple but critical.. most of them went to get the course/degree and not to learn English. They confuse between the method and the goal by concentrating to pass the method without achieving the goal. Thats why I advise most of them, especially who have very slim chances to develop in short periods of time to only consider improving their English in methods that doesn&#8217;t cost them financially&#8230; as such as free course or internship into a training facility.. Also Saudis who go abroad.. it very important to stress to them that they are there to study English first and foremost and while social activity is a great tool to learn the language.. its useless when you are smoking hubbly bubbly on the beach with your Arab/gulf friends and teaching the spanish girl next to you in class to belly dance and speak habibi arabic.</p>
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		<title>By: American Bedu</title>
		<link>http://americanbedu.com/2009/12/27/why-saudi-men-are-as-they-are/#comment-33279</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[American Bedu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 04:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[good comment.  I like the comparisons and shame based model is also aptly named. 

there actually are many many similarities to the true and peaceful Islam with other faiths. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good comment.  I like the comparisons and shame based model is also aptly named. </p>
<p>there actually are many many similarities to the true and peaceful Islam with other faiths. </p>
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		<title>By: africana</title>
		<link>http://americanbedu.com/2009/12/27/why-saudi-men-are-as-they-are/#comment-33275</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 01:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i think even in the west you see the male privilege thing in the relationship with the mother-in law. the mother-in-law, if she hates, always seems to hate her daugter-in -law, rarely the son-in-law. (a suconcious allinace, as previously mentioned)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think even in the west you see the male privilege thing in the relationship with the mother-in law. the mother-in-law, if she hates, always seems to hate her daugter-in -law, rarely the son-in-law. (a suconcious allinace, as previously mentioned)</p>
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		<title>By: africana</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 01:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i guess a lot of the behaviour fits into the shame based model, where appearance takes precedence.
i think shame based cultures seem to go against islam which places importance on intention, not being two faced etc...
i am curious about this, are western cultures (guilt based ones) closer to Islam than they think?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i guess a lot of the behaviour fits into the shame based model, where appearance takes precedence.<br />
i think shame based cultures seem to go against islam which places importance on intention, not being two faced etc&#8230;<br />
i am curious about this, are western cultures (guilt based ones) closer to Islam than they think?</p>
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		<title>By: American Bedu</title>
		<link>http://americanbedu.com/2009/12/27/why-saudi-men-are-as-they-are/#comment-33265</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[American Bedu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do agree that there seems to be a higher lack of motivation and less discipline.  Yet on the other hand, those who are motivated and disciplined do stand out for their dedication and desire.  In sum, it is not easy to be a teacher in Saudi. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree that there seems to be a higher lack of motivation and less discipline.  Yet on the other hand, those who are motivated and disciplined do stand out for their dedication and desire.  In sum, it is not easy to be a teacher in Saudi. </p>
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		<title>By: Megalos Poutsos</title>
		<link>http://americanbedu.com/2009/12/27/why-saudi-men-are-as-they-are/#comment-33255</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Megalos Poutsos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 04:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More prominent does not even come close.  Students in Europe where I taught had to work hard to succeed in life. There were no handouts. As for the Saudis, I don&#039;t know. I can only guess. Lack of motivation? Even if they fail, they have the family to back them up? No sense of being deprived of anything, so why work hard to get ti? They all want to be managers without any qualifications? You tell me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More prominent does not even come close.  Students in Europe where I taught had to work hard to succeed in life. There were no handouts. As for the Saudis, I don&#8217;t know. I can only guess. Lack of motivation? Even if they fail, they have the family to back them up? No sense of being deprived of anything, so why work hard to get ti? They all want to be managers without any qualifications? You tell me.</p>
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