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		<title>By: American Bedu</title>
		<link>http://americanbedu.com/2008/05/17/birth-control-and-islam/#comment-15097</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 06:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the detailed information, Chiara.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the detailed information, Chiara.</p>
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		<title>By: Chiara</title>
		<link>http://americanbedu.com/2008/05/17/birth-control-and-islam/#comment-15092</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chiara]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Found this searching for something else: just a couple of summarizing thoughts from all the good comments:

Breastfeeding is a very unreliable birth control method, as is the rhythm method (counting fertile days), and coitus interruptus (withdrawal).  The breast feeding cannot be supplemented (ie no skipping feeds) or even the relatively weak protection is lost.

BCP  or long acting hormonal injections (jabs) prevent ovulation--no egg, no fertilization, no implantation

Plan B only works reliably within 72 hrs of intercourse-- either to prevent ovulation, or fertilization or implantation (depending on your cycle at the time of intercourse, how fast you have taken it, and how fast his &quot;swimmers&quot; are)

IUDs with hormones prevent ovulation, fertilization, and implantation, and without hormones inhibit fertilization and prevent implantation.

Spermicides prevent fertilization.

Barrier methods (condoms, diaphragms, foam, sponges) prevent fertilization. 

Most Muslims set ensoulment (personhood) at 120 days, some schools at 40, some at 10 and rarely at conception (fertilization).  The longer you wait the worse interrupting reproduction is, both islamically and medically, but is always allowed to spare the life of the mother.

Islam  prohibits permanent forms of contraception (tubal ligation, hysterectomy, oopherectomy, or vasectomy) unless they are necessary to  spare life (usually the woman&#039;s).

Non-permanent forms of birth control like those above are acceptable for the reasons given in the post.

The pregnant from menarche to menopause is more likely cultural, familial, tribal.  

And the injunction about not having children due to want is most often interpreted as a reference to infanticide (common in pre-Islamic Arabia) rather than birth control or family planning/spacing.

Hope this (belated) summary helps.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Found this searching for something else: just a couple of summarizing thoughts from all the good comments:</p>
<p>Breastfeeding is a very unreliable birth control method, as is the rhythm method (counting fertile days), and coitus interruptus (withdrawal).  The breast feeding cannot be supplemented (ie no skipping feeds) or even the relatively weak protection is lost.</p>
<p>BCP  or long acting hormonal injections (jabs) prevent ovulation&#8211;no egg, no fertilization, no implantation</p>
<p>Plan B only works reliably within 72 hrs of intercourse&#8211; either to prevent ovulation, or fertilization or implantation (depending on your cycle at the time of intercourse, how fast you have taken it, and how fast his &#8220;swimmers&#8221; are)</p>
<p>IUDs with hormones prevent ovulation, fertilization, and implantation, and without hormones inhibit fertilization and prevent implantation.</p>
<p>Spermicides prevent fertilization.</p>
<p>Barrier methods (condoms, diaphragms, foam, sponges) prevent fertilization. </p>
<p>Most Muslims set ensoulment (personhood) at 120 days, some schools at 40, some at 10 and rarely at conception (fertilization).  The longer you wait the worse interrupting reproduction is, both islamically and medically, but is always allowed to spare the life of the mother.</p>
<p>Islam  prohibits permanent forms of contraception (tubal ligation, hysterectomy, oopherectomy, or vasectomy) unless they are necessary to  spare life (usually the woman&#8217;s).</p>
<p>Non-permanent forms of birth control like those above are acceptable for the reasons given in the post.</p>
<p>The pregnant from menarche to menopause is more likely cultural, familial, tribal.  </p>
<p>And the injunction about not having children due to want is most often interpreted as a reference to infanticide (common in pre-Islamic Arabia) rather than birth control or family planning/spacing.</p>
<p>Hope this (belated) summary helps.</p>
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		<title>By: delhi4cats</title>
		<link>http://americanbedu.com/2008/05/17/birth-control-and-islam/#comment-4458</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 19:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Honestly, I even hate the name &quot;Morning After Pill.&quot;  Yuch!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, I even hate the name &#8220;Morning After Pill.&#8221;  Yuch!</p>
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		<title>By: judgesnineteen</title>
		<link>http://americanbedu.com/2008/05/17/birth-control-and-islam/#comment-4453</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 17:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aafke, you&#039;re mistaken about the pill.  The purpose of the birth control pill, as with the morning after pill, is to prevent ovulation.  Here&#039;s a quote from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.yaz-us.com/front?cref=3&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;website&lt;/a&gt; for the pill I&#039;m on, Yaz:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The body is &quot;tricked&quot; into thinking it is pregnant. This prevents the release of an egg (ovulation). Without an egg to be fertilized, you can&#039;t become pregnant.

The cervical mucus is thickened, making it hard for sperm to travel toward the egg and fertilize it, in case an egg is released.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It doesn&#039;t say anything about implantation.  But it does tend to make periods lighter, so it&#039;s possible that it could work against implantation if given the chance, I don&#039;t know for sure.  In any case, that chance is pretty low.

Other than that, no arguments with what you said.  The morning-after pill is indeed a stupid thing to use as a primary means of contraception, which is why it&#039;s called Plan B.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aafke, you&#8217;re mistaken about the pill.  The purpose of the birth control pill, as with the morning after pill, is to prevent ovulation.  Here&#8217;s a quote from the <a href="http://www.yaz-us.com/front?cref=3" rel="nofollow">website</a> for the pill I&#8217;m on, Yaz:</p>
<blockquote><p>The body is &#8220;tricked&#8221; into thinking it is pregnant. This prevents the release of an egg (ovulation). Without an egg to be fertilized, you can&#8217;t become pregnant.</p>
<p>The cervical mucus is thickened, making it hard for sperm to travel toward the egg and fertilize it, in case an egg is released.
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<p>It doesn&#8217;t say anything about implantation.  But it does tend to make periods lighter, so it&#8217;s possible that it could work against implantation if given the chance, I don&#8217;t know for sure.  In any case, that chance is pretty low.</p>
<p>Other than that, no arguments with what you said.  The morning-after pill is indeed a stupid thing to use as a primary means of contraception, which is why it&#8217;s called Plan B.</p>
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		<title>By: Aafke</title>
		<link>http://americanbedu.com/2008/05/17/birth-control-and-islam/#comment-4438</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 23:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So I wondered when reading Aysha&#039;s comment; 
*What I hear from Saudi friends, is that men are not comfortable with condoms.*
So The saudi &#039;&#039;lords of creation&#039;&#039; The guys who are totally responsible for their women&#039;s évery aspect of  life, The mahrem without whom a woman can&#039;t do absolutely ánything, can&#039;t deal with putting a rubber on their dick? (excusé l&#039;expression) Noo, that is to much to ask of them?
Pathetic losers!

A2S &#039;&#039;The pill&#039;&#039; does not prevent sperm and egg meeting, or the eggs from being released, it prevents any fertilised egg from nestling into the wall of the womb. 

An arab friend told me that the prophet (pbuh) has stated that a baby only counts as a real soul after 120 days. So the &#039;&#039;morning after pill&#039; would be allowable. (though pretty stupid in my opnion to use as anticonception) Anyway doesn&#039;t life and health come before all in Islam? Using women as broodmares isn&#039;t conductive to their health.

Counting days method was responsible for a friend of mine getting a little sister. Her mother (very happy with the unplanned baby) decided to rely on more serious birthcontrol afterwards.
The best &#039;&#039;natural/&#039;&#039; way of preventing new  pregnancies, I read somewhere is suckling your baby. While still suckling your womb apparently will be unresponsive to a new pregnancy. While this is not as watertight as the pill, or a condom, it seems to have a pretty high success rate in Africa where it was widely used until the west started peddling their anti-conception pills there to make money out of poor people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I wondered when reading Aysha&#8217;s comment;<br />
*What I hear from Saudi friends, is that men are not comfortable with condoms.*<br />
So The saudi &#8221;lords of creation&#8221; The guys who are totally responsible for their women&#8217;s évery aspect of  life, The mahrem without whom a woman can&#8217;t do absolutely ánything, can&#8217;t deal with putting a rubber on their dick? (excusé l&#8217;expression) Noo, that is to much to ask of them?<br />
Pathetic losers!</p>
<p>A2S &#8221;The pill&#8221; does not prevent sperm and egg meeting, or the eggs from being released, it prevents any fertilised egg from nestling into the wall of the womb. </p>
<p>An arab friend told me that the prophet (pbuh) has stated that a baby only counts as a real soul after 120 days. So the &#8221;morning after pill&#8217; would be allowable. (though pretty stupid in my opnion to use as anticonception) Anyway doesn&#8217;t life and health come before all in Islam? Using women as broodmares isn&#8217;t conductive to their health.</p>
<p>Counting days method was responsible for a friend of mine getting a little sister. Her mother (very happy with the unplanned baby) decided to rely on more serious birthcontrol afterwards.<br />
The best &#8221;natural/&#8221; way of preventing new  pregnancies, I read somewhere is suckling your baby. While still suckling your womb apparently will be unresponsive to a new pregnancy. While this is not as watertight as the pill, or a condom, it seems to have a pretty high success rate in Africa where it was widely used until the west started peddling their anti-conception pills there to make money out of poor people.</p>
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		<title>By: delhi4cats</title>
		<link>http://americanbedu.com/2008/05/17/birth-control-and-islam/#comment-4198</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 11:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NiC - thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NiC &#8211; thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Not in california</title>
		<link>http://americanbedu.com/2008/05/17/birth-control-and-islam/#comment-4195</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Not in california]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 11:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[She is referring to a shot- the dep shot for birth control]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She is referring to a shot- the dep shot for birth control</p>
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		<title>By: relaying not allowed &#124; Found love here</title>
		<link>http://americanbedu.com/2008/05/17/birth-control-and-islam/#comment-4193</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[relaying not allowed &#124; Found love here]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 10:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: relaying not allowed &#124; Inmars</title>
		<link>http://americanbedu.com/2008/05/17/birth-control-and-islam/#comment-4191</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 10:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Birth Control and Islam16 May 2008 by delhi4cats There were a few exceptions in that several women were university educated and worked and not in favor of birth control. I’m not trying to make any stereotypes here or point fingers but relaying findings. &#8230;american_bedu - http://delhi4cats.wordpress.com [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: relaying not allowed &#124; Lasts information</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 08:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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